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Guyon Espiner

Guyon Espiner

Journalist

Oct 8, 2026

17:01
A
17:02
little bit, eh? Because you did preface the question to, hey, this is going to be clipped up.
17:06
And you were really giving him the opportunity to say, hey, this is a moment of history.
17:10
And he didn't give you the clear soundbite saying, I will 100% now telling you, Jack, that I've ruled out opportunity.
17:18
He didn't give you that.
17:19
He talked about the...
17:21
What I've said.
19:22
Well,
5:29
You would think that if you are a really astute and observant political observer, you're going... man, the world is changing, how do I reflect that? And you don't see a Luxon or a Hipkins really reinventing themselves for a new era, do you? No, I think that's
5:43
absolutely right.
5:45
There's been a real reluctance and a sort of tame nature for Labour and National, and they're playing in that sort of technocratic era.
5:53
that might have worked in the 90s or into the 2000s.
5:56
Whereas the politicians who are doing well, a Mamdani or a Trump, no matter what you think of those, they are people with big, bold ideas.
6:06
And Labour's approach to capital gains tax is an example of that.
6:09
Like, we'll have one, but it'll be a tiny, narrow, little, focused one.

13 MINS LATER

19:33
Can you see any potential big upsets in electorates this year? Maybe Tamaki, maybe Mount Albert, things that are traditionally one way that could swing the other.

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