Tell me a little bit about where we are at the moment, that kind of gap in your mind between some of our aspirations as a country and then the reality of where we find ourselves.

Yeah.

So I think I, I look at this through the lens of Brexit as a very significant inflection point, if you like, or in the way in which we've managed our politics and policy.

If you look at life before Brexit, there was an established consensus.

We had the Climate Change Act and, and the significant cross-party consensus that had been established behind that, that had led to Theresa May's reforms in 2019 to make the 2050 net zero target a statutory target.

On the natural environment side, a sort of growing consensus that that approach to that sort of predictable long-term policy ambition needed to be replicated in the natural environment in what then merged as the Environment Act in 2021.

That was quite a significant opportunity to take where we had been pre-Brexit with an approach to delivering on the natural environment, which was more contingent on public funding, and particularly for what we wanted to achieve in landscapes through agri-environment schemes that we drew down from the Common Agriculture Policy, to a world in which the private sector was more centrally involved in delivery.

So I'm interested, I suppose, Guy, what are some of the options available to the government at this point, i- given the reality of the situation we find ourselves in?