helicopter pilots are

very, very proficient at flying in the mountains, close proximity flying.

And so we can utilize that skill set working in the mountains here, making films.

And one of the skills that they have is the ability to be able to long line or sling under a helicopter equipment, big cranes that we can fly into the mountains, all of the camera equipment we might use.

And so on the Hillary's step location, the very tiny little steep, rocky, icy slope, very hard location for us to work.

We dug one helipad out of a steep slope, so we'd only get one helicopter in there.

Very limited number of people, but in order to get the shots, the grips had a special crane on a track that would follow the climber up as they were climbing.

to the film and to your safety role of risk management, risk evaluation relative to all of these accidents that have happened this year?

Oh

... time it was commercialized.

Because those expeditions were sponsored, money flowed around those expeditions.

The local people were being paid, so that was commercial.

A, a better terminology rather than commercialized in '92 when we were there was we were guiding.

And collectively with the, the Sherpa teams that we worked with, we developed a, a great body of, uh, knowledge and awareness on how to manage, uh, the mountain much better and avoid the pitfalls, uh, and making the same mistakes that a lot of the expeditions beforehand would, would, would make because they were just too new to it.

Uh, and that's what has helped increase the safety.

Are there no rules at all, and what, what would you like to see? Would you like tougher, uh, restrictions on how many people climb the mountain and who climbs the mountain?