Well,

there's some funny chats on that one.

But yeah, I guess essentially I went straight to uni.

Like I said, it's been a bit of a journey, but started straight in uni doing business.

couple of years into that found that you know potentially this wasn't the direction I wanted to go into although it's business and economics was something that was interesting to me through school so I sort of thought that's the entire career was what I was going to do but I was always passionate about building from a young age and like building skateboard ramps and that sort of stuff I was always about fixing things even when I was a little kid I used to carry a hammer around which mum was mortified by and they thought she was a bit bit crazy but I guess that was kind of always in me to like to have that kind of creativity side.

Yeah, so transition from business degree into plumbing trade.

Did that with my dad whilst I did my trade.

And so tell me brand-wise, how important is that part of a