Guy Barker, who played with Gil in later life.

Gil was an incredible arranger.

He was like nobody else.

He had that same attitude as, as Miles.

He, he didn't want to go back.

He always just wanted to keep moving forward, changing ideas.

When Miles and Gil found each other, it was the most perfect relationship.

[jazzy music] Here's Guy Barker again.

What makes a good solo?

Yeah, you must have done a few in your time.

Come on.

Trumpet players.

We know trumpet players.

I always think that the very first notes you play of that solo will kind of dictate to you whether this is going to go well or not.

You make an opening statement that sort of settles everything and then you can fly.

And the question is, where are we going next and what's the link back to Debussy?