But as Sally says, perhaps not really.

I think we are heading slowly but surely back towards two-party politics because The Shine came off Zach Polanski in quite a dramatic way over the summer and The Shine has come off Nigel Farage.

At last, he survived so many encounters, but finally we can see that he...

You can penetrate the skin and he does bleed.

And I think that makes people think again.

I also think, credit where credit's due, that the Conservative Party, having been, I don't know, unnerved, blown away by reform and with this kind of like... self-loathing, a sort of me-too, wannabe reform kind of tendency dominating the whole leadership.

And they finally remember that the reason it is the most successful election-winning machine in the history of democracy in the West is because normally it's in the centre, it's advocating economic growth.

Gitter, how powerful is hope as a force for winning votes?

He was briefly prime minister.

Yeah.

And I think the danger between and with Andy Burnham is if there isn't change, the disappointment will be worse.

With Keir Starmer, nobody thought they were getting that sort of, you know, that that that that that that.

big romantic lover that makes you laugh and makes you enjoy yourself and inspires you, makes you smile when you're on your own or whatever.

So, you know, I don't know if it's the right analogy.

It's just somebody you think your parents will approve because he'll be able to pay the mortgage and he won't cheat on you and he'll be solid.

Where has that time gone? With your Supremo comps hat on, how would you assess their performance in communicating those messages that you've just drilled down? Where would you grade them? And do you think actually people are still on that Plaid Cymru bandwagon? Do they still feel confident that what they voted for in May is what they're delivering on?

What was your reaction to it? [laughs]

Yeah, as a, as a journalist, and once a journalist, always a journalist in outlook to a certain extent, it's really bad form, isn't it? Because these things exist not because of some sort of obscure, distant kind of like, uh, urbane kind of, uh, principle.

They exist to suit everyone.

It's not in anyone's interest as a journalist.

Most journalists are very responsible.

They don't want to publish something that's inaccurate.

They don't want to be unfair.

But I guess the key question is would you do that before by getting the right of reply, knowing the story was coming, and getting it out there in another paper with your angle before the story's published, or do you wait, uh, as is the custom?

What was your reaction to it?

Yeah, as a journalist, and once a journalist, always a journalist, an outlook to a certain extent, it's really bad form, isn't it? Because these things exist, not because of some sort of obscure, distant, kind of like, urbane kind of principle.

They exist to suit everyone.

It's not in anyone's interest as a journalist.

Most journalists are very responsible.

They don't want to publish something that's inaccurate.

They don't want to be unfair.

If they didn't know, then they're not responsible on this form.

Gitto, what would you say to those, to quote those words again, who hide behind the keyboards or balaclavas? Morning, mate.

Good morning.

Yeah, always lovely to be on your show, Nick, as you know.

And because of my previous associations, not least with Blonde, you know, I'm not an official spokesman for the RLI, but I'm a proud volunteer and done more than a decade now on the Thames.

And I am extremely proud of the organisation and my colleagues and the work that we do.

And...

It's really quite simple.

What's the spirit that binds you and the men and women of the RNLI together, Guite?

Much to discuss, Gito, but can we start with what has you seen as regards impact on British politics, not the economy, not jobs? What was the Brexit effect? Good morning.

Good morning to you.

It basically made us emotional, didn't it? The side that won was not the side that had the best, most convincing clinical forensic factual argument, but the one that made enough people feel that the right thing to do was to take back control.

And I think that introduced an element of emotion to our politics.

And so when we feel dissatisfied, instead of sort of being slightly stiff upper lip and British about it, we started getting a bit more hysterical about stuff.

And I think the second thing it did, apart from, you know, make us emotional and polarize us and make our politics more angry, if you like, but it also infantilized us.

It made us think or made enough people genuinely think that there are simple answers to very, very complex questions.

If you'll allow me to describe it as a rot, how is the rot to be stopped or even to be reversed then, Gito?