I love waking up, going to work.

Yeah, for me it was a similar experience in the sense that it had been published in 1996 by Mayfair Games, and then I emigrated to the United States.

Uh, first, uh, I was here to study, and then I, uh, became a permanent, uh, resident studying international relations, and always wanted to do that something, uh, in that arena, diplomacy, and I had a chat with my dad.

And at that time he said, "Hey, kind of looks like Catan is here to stay.

There's different publishers in different countries and they're interested in the license, and I really need someone who can coordinate and manage the business part of that." So I was still in graduate school, but I said, like, something went off and I was like, "Oh, this is actually it.

This is diplomacy, this is international relations," kind of just with the, uh, publishers who love the game, and it was a, um, connection to my dad, to the family.

So I said, like, "I..."Why don't we try it out? I would love to do it." So that was really cool, and it- I always liken Catan as a passport.

How much of it was a strategy? How much was it people coming to you? What have been the learnings of the, kind of the breadth of how Catan has expanded?

And now, his brother Guido.

Stay curious and obviously fulfill your dreams.

You know, shoot for the moon.

But also, be empathetic and be kind.

Take failure in strides.

So when you play a Catan game, it is in itself a game where even the person who loses gets some victory points.