Thank you.

And the nice thing is, uh, going after Jude, both in the order of the talks and also, um, following him in writing on Ulrich, um, if, if, if time starts to get a little limited, I may presuppose some of the things that he's already said.

Um, I'll just say that at the outset.

All right.

In the pages of the journal Communio in the mid-1990s, a discussion emerged around the question of the place of relation and receptivity in the constitution of the creature.

Over the course of the conversation, thinkers like Kenneth Schmitz and D.L. Schindler proposed the consideration of creaturely substance along the lines of constitutive relations.