And the other claim is immortality.

Yeah, there is a whiff of immortality in the way a hero is worshipped, because supposedly the way you worship a hero, which is different from the way you worship a divinity, keeps you, shall we say, not wilted like a flower.

There's some part of you that lives on.

Some part of you, thank you, that lives on.

But what lives on is the kleos that contains you.

It's not in Homeric poetry.

It's the fact that when you and I read Iliad, And we're not in oral culture anymore.

the key and singer of tales is in control of the glory that may be yours in some sense the author is the true master of every work or the poet is of every performance Do you think the Homeric performer, Homeric poet is more arrogant in some way or is more about establishing his own kleos by injecting the muses, for example?

Right

And, and so could I just say in, in medieval Ireland, you see best how an oral poet has to function.

In, in Irish traditions, and we know this from, uh, documentation from the medieval times, uh, the oral poet was called, um, a file, which means the one who sees.

The file was juridically immune as he traveled from one tuath, which means petty kingdom, to another tuath.

By juridical immunity, that means that, um, unlike, let's say, the Kyrgyz akin who had to ha- was stuck with two rival, two rival patrons, shall we say, uh, the patronage would keep changing.

So what are you gonna do if you're an itinerant oral poet? And where every petty kingdom has its different way of talking about the heroic past, but they're all formulaic and they're all, you know, um, oral, oral poetry-bound.

Um, what you do is you try to shade over what makes things different from one petty kingdom and another petty kingdom, and you try to highlight what makes them similar.

Hmm.