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Gregory Johnsen

Gregory D. Johnsen is an American historian, journalist, and political analyst specializing in Yemen and al-Qaeda, author of The Last Refuge.

Sep 10, 2026

Nick Schifrin
Nick SchifrinCORRESPONDENT
24:28
So what does it say that that militia wasn't able to defend Mocha?
24:33
Yeah, there's a long backstory here, Nick.
24:35
So re- r- the guy who was in charge of that force in Mocha is a guy by the name of Tariq Saleh.
24:41
That name may sound familiar to some of your viewers because his uncle was the former president Ali Abdullah Saleh.
24:47
For the first few years of this war, from about 2015 to 2017, Tariq Saleh actually fought with the Houthis.
24:53
It was only when the Houthis killed his uncle, the former president of Yemen, that he defected and joined this anti-Houthi coalition.
25:00
That's one piece.
Nick Schifrin
Nick SchifrinCORRESPONDENT
26:10
At what point do the Saudis reenter this war? At what point does this become yet again a, a regional conflict?
Nick Schifrin
Nick SchifrinCORRESPONDENT
6:34
So what does it say that that militia wasn't able to defend Mocha?
6:38
Mocha?Yeah, there's a long backstory here, Nick.
6:41
So re- r- the guy who was in charge of that force in Mocha is a guy by the name of Tariq Saleh.
6:47
That name may sound familiar to some of your viewers because his uncle was the former president, Ali Abdullah Saleh.
6:53
For the first few years of this war from about 2015 to 2017, Tariq Saleh actually fought with the Houthis.
6:59
It was only when the Houthis killed his uncle, the former president of Yemen, that he defected and joined this anti-Houthi coalition.
7:06
That's one piece.
Nick Schifrin
Nick SchifrinCORRESPONDENT
8:16
At what point do the Saudis reenter this war? At what point does this become yet again a, a regional conflict?
10:00
Talk me through, you know, why they seem like they would resist this, um, especially given that, um, Hezbollah, for example, Hamas eventually did cave, uh, to some degree in the face of military pressure.
10:13
Yeah, that's a good question.
10:14
I, I think there's two parts.
10:15
And so the first part that I would lay out is sort of what I see as the, broadly speaking, the five major options that the United States has had in Yemen over the past year.
10:26
I don't think those options have, have changed.
10:28
So I can walk through that, and then I'd also talk about the Houthi-- the, the reason I think the Houthis have been baiting the United States over the past fourteen or fifteen months, and, and why the Houthis really want this war with the United States and why the Houthis think a, a direct confrontation and conflict with the United States is in their best interest, their best domestic interest.
10:51
But on the US side, I think the US has had- Five major options.

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20:23
Are there lessons the U.S. can learn from their intervention? And can you talk a little bit about what you think their policies towards Yemen are likely to be going forward?
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32:45
Just he looked at him and just, uh, passed away.
32:52
So it turns out that there are 12 dead, and typically what happens in Yemen is that as soon as someone is killed, they're buried very, very shortly thereafter.
33:05
What happens here is something different.
33:10
The people in the convoy take the bodies of the dead, and they take them back to Rada.
Matt KieltyCORRESPONDENT
33:48
He stands over the dead.
33:49
Sort of swaying over the bodies and just lecturing the crowd on what happened.
33:53
He's just screaming at them.
33:55
And so you can hear his voice start to go hoarse.

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