I, I think,

Well, and that's absolutely, I don't know about you, but you know, I go out and intentionally go out here in the summertime for race prep and go out on the hottest days in the middle of the day.

And it's, you know, you're effectively heat training, right? So you're going out when it's 35 and you're just hammering it to try to build up as much temperature as you possibly can.

So by the time you get to September...

And you're in, you know, you're acclimated to all this, this, this effect, you know, essentially heat training.

Now you're plunged into these cold temperatures.

Like these were cold temperatures when we got out on a day of the race.

Do you try and – because part of it is with logistics and planning is trying to have as much control of what you can affect, right? So there is a bit of that element there,

So at the end

of the day, my son, my youngest son, he was getting ready to go into his junior year in high school.

And again, a little bit of background for me when I told you I grew up over in the Northland area.

So myself and my siblings and even my oldest half-brother, he was the very first graduating class from Winnetonka High School.

So myself and my other siblings, we all went through the Winnetonka school system or Winnetonka school, which was part of North Kansas City School District.

Of course, it had all of its wonderful allure of all the distractions that were going on throughout the years at Winnetonka.

And I think I was there on one of the occasions as far as during my time there.

Before we let you go, is there anything that you'd have for Lawson? Where do you see us going in five years? What would you say we need to concentrate on as we move forward or any parting advice for us?

maybe if we could, we could just dive into, you know, what got you into this kind of ultra world and what have you experienced prior to the jumbo and then what brought you out to the jumbo wild?

Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

I mean, yeah, I guess for some context for this, you know, I kind of came into...

I kind of came into this kind of riding in a really roundabout way.

Probably like a lot of people, you know, that are listening started riding way back in the 90s and it was all about the kind of the free ride and the gravity scene and like, you know, what was this crazy mountain bike thing where people are jumping off of stuff and yeah, there was all kinds of different directions to go and I definitely was more on the gravity side of things for the first while, like into the 2000s, a bunch of downhill racing and kind of the free ride scene.

And yeah, that was what was comfortable and that's kind of what was home for me.

But it's funny because even during that time, there was a couple, there was like a weird branch that came off for me that was, you know, I did some 24-hour races And, you know, I, I did that, um, that Canadian death race was, I think the first year that they offered it way back in, you know, like 2001 or something.

And, and so how's your process around that? How do you, how do you take that on?

What's the story behind the name?

All right, so I'll give you my elevator speech, as I say.

I haven't been going on for a much longer time than we have here, so I'll keep it short.

So, in short, Hainter Distilling started back in 1866.

If you're a history buff, you know 1865, the Civil War just ended.

Lincoln is assassinated in 65.

A guy named Louis Hainter comes to Troy in 66, starts Hainter Distilling.

But understanding marketing is very important because you've got to have the whole package to be able to do what you're doing, right?

Did it come as no surprise to you that despite the fact that there was all that adversity, what had happened with Wilfred Nancy coming in, the various changes of managers, Brendan Rodgers leaving, that the team managed to get over the line just knowing a lot of the players, knowing the mentality that they've got?

No, I wasn't shocked.

Um, I think I'd be lying if I said throughout the season I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Celtic would win the league.

There was definitely points near the end where Hearts were on a strong run that you maybe thought it wasn't gonna be the season we'd hoped for.

But, um- In the end, as I said, to, to put that run together, the big players that we spoke about that for Scotland, they, they were going to be vital, and the big players for Celtic, getting Ally Johnson back fit, Daizen hit in form at the right time.

I think these were key moments in a right key part of the season.

Have you still got ambitions of getting back into the Scotland setup going forward?

Absolutely.

We

saw the roundhouse as the Walt Disney of beer.

I love that.

We are a place people come for fun, right? Yeah.

We're not building kitchen tables here.

People are coming.

They've taken time off with their family to come down to the baseball game or go to the aquarium, and they come in here to have fun.

And then on the flip side of it, what tends to block joy? Where does joy get squeezed out sometimes? I think hierarchy is

Do you think the definition of a balanced portfolio has changed fundamentally over the last several years?

Oh, oh, absolutely, and I think that's one of the biggest changes we, we've had in, in portfolio management theory in, in decades 'cause I, I think people just frankly got lazy.

Ev- There was a whole mantra, and the whole industry was set with almost a 60/40 portfolio.

So the 60/40 portfolio was basically what everyone had, and, and as you mentioned in, in the lead off, that the equities were supposed to be the growth and the fixed income were the, the, the income side.

I mean, we've almost had a paradigm shift in the last little bit where, uh, that doesn't really work as much as it has, and then sometimes we've actually had the opposite where, uh, the, the fixed income's been the growth and the equities have been the income components.

And, and these c- these kind of set-in-stone beliefs have started to be really questioned in the last little bit.

And of course, the biggest thing that's happened in the last years are that we've started to see a fairly high correlation between these two asset classes.

So how do those philosophies differ specifically?

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Mm.

And that I know it's obviously your memory.

You, you're wondering, is it, am I projecting or is it, or is it the ...

I've got to remember, I can remember quite well, and I don't know if it was after the Azimuth one, Azimuth one or not.

Probably not, because we would've been up in the circle, would've been a long way to go.

I remember going to the stage and seeing Nick, um, um ...