What were you thinking initially?

Yeah, well, my first thought was biblical Christianity is the antithesis of Greek thought, and that's why Paul preaches in 1 Corinthians that the gospel is an offense to Jews and the Greeks.

I mean, the gospel really offended everyone, and when you look at actually Latter-day Saint theology, and you ask, what is this akin to? You actually, and then you look at you look at Greek thought, like what is Hayden talking about? Greek thought with Plato and the forms and matter being eternal.

If you do a side-by-side comparison between Greek thought and Latter-day Saint theology and Greek thought and biblical Christianity, it's actually way closer to the Greek theology is a lot closer play-by-play to Mormon theology than biblical Christianity.

And I think about like, God's being embodied, is that not things like Hercules? Right.

Like Zeus being embodied? And actually, how did, you know, the Hercules story, how did Hercules earn his way to Godhood? Because he was semi-divine, is the Greek story of Hercules, but he had to accomplish some great acts in order to be made fully divine, right? and they claim his name among the gods.

And you think about that, and I'm like, wait a minute, that sounds like something I know.

want to say this respectfully but this is this is why i struggle with with hayden and guys kind of in his camp is he just kind of throws out these soundbite claims as if they're fact and you're like you just spent 10 or 15 minutes saying nope that's absolutely not it's literally the opposite right it's literally up yeah so you just throw these out as if they're truth and this moves on like well time out time out can we talk about those things and it's just it's honestly funny to me that he's accusing our position of coming around in the fifth century um and it's like dude you're following a guy that literally made up stuff 200 years ago literally made up a language um and i would even argue that hayden's position his mormonism now is vastly different than joseph smith's mormonism it's just and it continues to grow and like be very subjective and and so i i mean that claim is just it's funny to me but i'll let you comment