I'm like,

I'm going.

I flew down and met him.

We got this little room, we talked for two and a half hours.

He wouldn't let me go unless I had some ice cream.

He was exactly what John had told me and I knew his record and I was fascinated.

I got home.

You're out there in the Seattle area, I know, and West Coast.

That's funny because that's what

I'm trying to – let me preface this by this.

I tell people what I'm doing.

I'm doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes getting ready to help in this arena.

And I get pushback from people that know me, right? Family, oh, you're crazy.

You can't change it.

You can't change a youth sports room.

So he's not at that point that he's beating you yet, okay?

[laughs]

... with those things, it helped me compete for a long time.

Nowadays I'm not sure if I would've.

You know? It's changed a lot at the lower level.

There's not as much teaching development going on that I think there should be, and it's not as fun.

So, but yeah, my background ultimately, uh, I played college basketball at Washington State, where I walked on.

I left.

[laughs]

Mm-hmm

... there's so much more pressure because of winning, and because parents paid, and you gotta stay into it, and coaches wanna win.

There's more yelling, and it's a toxic environment.

And so it affects the mental state of, of our youth.

I've seen, three weeks ago I had two videos sent to me.

Uh, maybe I told you this earlier, Bill.

One was, uh, a video.

Mm-hmm.