How do you cultivate that kind of presence so your people know he's the ballast, he's going to keep us calm through this?

Well, I think it comes over time, first of all.

Like, for me, I always, once I got into my professional career, I wanted to establish some kind of leadership philosophy, if you will, for myself.

I'm not saying every leader has their own philosophy, but I wanted to start creating one for me that I knew would work.

And I was just blessed to grow up in a a Catholic Christian family.

And I just felt my mom and dad did a great job of instilling the behaviors of doing the right thing.

And your purpose in life is to get to heaven, right? So if that's your higher purpose, then everything you do in life has to bounce up around that goal.

How do you incentivize them to do that, coming from different backgrounds, having different values?

Yeah.

It's not a political read at all.

It's really just true historical facts of what took place and some great anecdotal stories of some of the great leaders and some of the things that took place to, uh, to kinda move, uh- Our nation forward towards true freedom and liberty, and it's, uh, it's pretty cool.

And I, I look at our business the exact same way, you know? You just gotta keep fighting the fight.

You're always gonna have adversaries against you, uh, working against you, and, uh, you gotta make sure you form a good coalition to fight those battles.

Um, but at the end of the day, it's, it, it just comes down to those raw fundamentals.

And, and I think when you first start in the business, it's about execution, right? It's what you learn at, at Schneider and OHL.

Like, what took them a year, you can get it done in 30 days internally now.

... about that? Okay.

Okay.So I think when you look at technology in general, people get mesmerized by the television, and then they wanna buy one.

They get mesmerized by the World Wide Web, and basically online surfing immediately, and then they wanna immediately plunge in.

You go out to the ocean, you're on a boat, you see the big blue ocean, you don't dive in right away even though the water looks inviting.

You think about, uh, are there dangers in the water? Are there sharks? How shallow is the water? You think about those dangers.

But parents give technology to their children and their families without, um, i- identifying, enumerating, and guarding against the dangers that they are going to encounter.

I think that's a huge and valuable warning, is that if you're gonna be using technology, and especially giving it to your kids, you know, look before you leap and identify those dangers.

Yeah.