A question I had for you, Greg, that has been tickling me a little bit because I've often talked about how natural bodybuilding the great thing about it is a lot of the things that we do to kind of maximize our muscle growth is also really good for health and so a question that i wanted to like almost test myself or test that claim that hey natural bodybuilding is super healthy is is there anything that is on conflict with our long-term health when we're trying to maximize our muscle growth

I think the short answer is it depends how you do it, right? And I haven't looked to see if there's much research looking at natural bodybuilders later in life.

I think natural bodybuilding is something that has largely gained traction recently.

in the last decade or so so it'd be really interesting to see in a few decades time how not natural bodybuilders fare relative to their peers of the same age and biological sex then we'll be able to make some inferences about that so this really is just speculation But is natural bodybuilding a way of life that is optimized for a healthy lifespan? No.

But loads of things natural bodybuilders do are conducive to that.

And exercise is a good example.

The acute responses to exercise are in many ways beneficial in terms of things like blood sugar control and so on.

something that i've seen spoken about over the last few years a little bit in terms of increasing caffeine metabolism which i think again for people that want to protect their sleep and get caffeine out of their system before going to bed seems like a promising thing i think you said when we're talking off air about it you haven't got there's not too much you can really say but i'd love any thoughts you have regarding it Yeah.