Um, if this, if this subsidy is slashed and this change made, how many people in that space do you think will be walking away because they can't afford their private health insurance anymore?

So by the government's modeling estimates, which is, I, I, I believe conservative, I think there'll be more people who will be impacted.

They're thinking forty-four thousand people will drop their health insurance cover.

There are over three million Australians aged sixty-five years and older who have private health insurance.

We believe it'll be more than forty-four thousand.

And in addition, we think there'll be other people who will be downgrading cover and potentially cover to below what they should be having because of affordability.

And so it's impacting the over age sixty-fives, but also as people drop cover at the time of their life when they need cover the most, because you get sick more when you're older, you need to be hospitalized more, more procedures.

-for their private health too.

Um, you know, and it's at a time when, when they need, I suppose, that healthcare most, Greg.

I, I think a- as people get older, healthcare becomes an increasingly important part of their lives, and this is the, the time of life when people need health insurance most, and this is the time when essentially they, they're being priced out of the market where this is the generation who, who have contributed most to the health system for the longest.

They're the generation who, who really rebuilt the country after the wars, and they contributed to it at a time when there was no NDIS that then their families could e-expect to benefit from.

There was no...

The social safety net wasn't the same as it is now.

So they did the en- the right thing their entire life, contributed, built the economy.

They saved more than the current generations are saving, and it feels like they're really being punished now in being in a position where they've, they've saved, they've done all the right things throughout their lives, and suddenly a benefit which they have been getting for years at a time when they can do nothing about it is g- about to be removed from them.

So Greg, what are you, what are you calling on here from the government? Do, do you, um, do you want a reversal on this decision? Do you want, uh, the can kicked down the road for a little bit to, to see how it spits out? What, what's the, the best move here, do you think?

... of sex attacks and stalking young girls? You don't think there are young girls in his neighborhood? There has to be right now.

Well, well, uh, uh, first of all, why he's out is because h- the fir- under the, uh, Juvenile Detention Act, it'sTo offer the least restrictive means.

The government sought only dangerousness, not a risk of flight.

Those are the two reasons, um, that, that the court considers.

Um, so you know, they- he's on the monitor, he's with an uncle, um, so that's restrictive enough.

He can be monitored if he leaves the house, so that's enough.

Switching it over because he's charged as an adult and now having this pre-trial release decided under the Bail Reform Act because he's charged as an adult really is, it, it's more procedural than substantive.

... that defense attorneys always want a delay?