Now, what about this historic win by the Conservatives, one that we haven't seen in B.C. in almost a century? And what did they do right? Or what did they manage to avoid stumbling on during this 33-day campaign?

It's pretty clear they actually did some things right.

I mean, to begin with, picking Loren Dirksen clearly turned out to be the right thing.

His ability to bring the team together in the hours before the actual call was a really critical ingredient to winning the election.

And his every man, every person sort of demeanor also bode very well.

But the other thing that's clear is that The people running the BC Conservative campaign understood some pretty basics about elections that you need to frame a ballot question and you need to find issues to reinforce that.

They framed the issue as time for a change and the first thing they did is they used the election call throughout the election as a proof point that we needed change away from a premier who would spend 80, 100 million dollars in order just to advance his own political interest.

Now, looking back, were there any key moments that you think of in this campaign that really popped out for you?

And they credited David Eby for uniting the right.

Yeah, well, there you go.

He did what they couldn't do on their own.

And then in the meantime, you've got, you know, the first real glimpse we have of who Dirksen is as a person is this clip of him fighting a forest fire.

And, you know, it is, he couldn't have asked for something better.

And then the other thing is that, you know, he's not in a bubble yet, right? Like he's out there doing his thing.

They're assembling their team.

Greg, what will you be looking for in the weeks ahead?

... through some of the, the landscape in regards to what we're seeing?

Sure.

So in addition to that alienated populate- uh, populous left that you talked about, there's an equivalent group on the right.

Um, and so they both agree, uh, uh, that they're angry and frustrated at, at the ability to get ahead, at the cost of living.

Um, there's even a little bit of that in terms of healthcare, right? With people frustrated with waiting lists and all the rest of that.

It's just that they see different ways of solving that problem.

Um, but the, uh, that alienated populous right is 19%, and that's, you know, very much aligned with Pierre Poilievre.

Is that frustration waning or are we in the early stages of that waning, or do you think that rage, uh, still remains?

... through some of the, the landscape in regards to what we're seeing?

Sure.

So in addition to that alienated populate- uh, uh, populist left that you talked about, there's an equivalent group on the right.

Um, and so they both agree, uh, uh, that they're angry and frustrated at the ability to get ahead, at the cost of living.

Um, there's even a little bit of that in terms of healthcare, right? With people frustrated with waiting lists and all the rest of that.

It's just that they see different ways of solving that problem.

Um, but the e- that alienated populist right is 19%, and that's, you know, very much aligned with Pierre Poilievre.

Is that frustration waning? Are we in the early stages of that waning, or do you think that rage, uh, still remains?

... through some of the, the landscape in regards to what we're seeing?

Sure.

So in addition to that alienated populate- uh, populist left that you talked about, there's an equivalent group on the right.

Um, and so they both agree, uh, uh, that they're angry and frustrated at the ability to get ahead, at the cost of living.

Um, there's even a little bit of that in terms of healthcare, right? With people frustrated with waiting lists and all the rest of that.

It's just that they see different ways of solving that problem.

Um, but the e- that alienated populist right is 19%, and that's, you know, very much aligned with Pierre Poilievre.

Is that frustration waning or in the early stages of that waning, or do you think that rage, uh, still remains?

If you're advising the NDP government today, um, and they look at these numbers, what would, what would, what advice would you give to them in regards to turning things around?

Well, I mean, they've been, uh, they've been very effective.

I mean, um, this government could have lost the last election, but in the changeover from Horgan to Eby, um, Eby took on some of the issues that have taken out other governments like housing, um, and got on the right side of it.

So I think when you look at this government, um, y- you have to acknowledge that their, uh, issue management team, um, is very good at, uh, taking issues as they come and getting on the right side of it.

And one of the things that, that's really fairly unique with this government is its willingness to read the room and say, "Okay, even though we'd really like to do this thing, it's not a thing we can do given where the public's going." And so they retreat from, uh, difficult policies, and we see it, it's a bit like Doug Ford.

So I wouldn't count this government out, uh, at, at all at this point.

I think that there's still a lot of room for them.

How much, um, does Donald Trump still loom large over Canadians and their concerns?

If you're advising the NDP government today, um, and they look at these numbers, what would, what would, what advice would you give to them in regards to turning things around?

Well, I mean, they've been, uh, they've been very effective.

I mean, um, this government could have lost the last election, but in the changeover from Horgan to Eby, um, Eby took on some of the issues that have taken out other governments like housing, um, and got on the right side of it.

So I think when you look at this government, um, y- you have to acknowledge that their, uh, issue management team, um, is very good at, uh, taking issues as they come and getting on the right side of it.

And one of the things that, that's really fairly unique with this government is its willingness to read the room and say, "Okay, even though we'd really like to do this thing, it's not a thing we can do given where the public's going." And so they retreat from, uh, difficult policies, and we see it, it's a bit like Doug Ford.

So I wouldn't count this government out, uh, uh, at all at this point.

I think that there's still a lot of room for them.

How much, um, does Donald Trump still loom large over Canadians and their concerns?

That's one thing that's really missing for me.

Yeah, and I think there's lots of reason to be nervous and some reason to be hopeful.

So I think the single biggest reason to be hopeful is that his stated goal is he wants Canada to have the strongest economy, strongest growing economy in the G7.

and you know peter is the economist in the room here but and mark carney has been a central banker in two g7 countries and has had to live in the real world right this is not a theoretical exercise he understands what drives gdp he understands what drives growth and you know he's someone that knows the numbers to look at here And if you look at the last time the Canadian economy was really growing, oil and gas was a key driver of that growth.

In particular, capital investment to expand our exports was a key driver.

Although I'm always open to being educated by Peter on the details of that.

It is hard to imagine any other sector that can come close to being able to create oil the GDP per job of the oil and gas sector in Canada today, I don't see how he can reach his goal without the help of the sector.

And Greg, maybe over to you, like, what do you make of the federal government as it relates to government of Canada versus province of Alberta relationship?