I'm curious, how did you end up being a professional in both areas?

Yeah.

So, I mean, I started out like a lot of people.

I did recruiting, was a generalist.

I found that I was more interested in like, hey, point factor analysis, any type of the statistics and analytical components of human resources, which really naturally pulled me towards compensation.

I did compensation for until about 2011, 2012.

Throughout that time, I really got heavily involved with learning VBA, Visual Basic for Applications using Excel.

So that's, is that an internal job description or is a market