How, how did you go from that to that?

Well, I think a, a couple sorta things are at the core of that.

Fir- first and foremost is, uh, I, I find that my journey of, of not being enough, of feeling unloved, of feeling if, if you really stripped away all of the layers, uh, that you, you'd see that I was a big imposter.

I found, Travis, that that's a common, much more common experience of, of the human beings I interact with than one may think.

And, and, and so I, I had the privilege of going through some developmental experiences where I, I came face to face with, uh, some of my deepest fear that if you really knew me you, you, you too would see I'm not enough.

And, and so the book was, the first chapter was an opportunity for me to sort of get that story out and to be very vulnerable, to ver- be very open, to discuss the shame of, of some of the things I encountered as, as a young boy, and the conclusions I came to that, uh, as I've come to know are, are just wrong.

So I think that, that vulnerability, that authenticity, the ...

What are the, is, is, are there any of those that stick with you as the, the coolest, unexpected, great thing that happened as a result of your books?