Hey, I've read the book, but I think you were having, and I apologize if I'm misusing this, but like a crisis of faith on what you were supposed to do, right? Next, what was the role of someone like John? Why was it important for this kind of outside advocacy, outside of your chain of command to go do this? Because there were other things going on in your career at the time.

Yeah, so all of us who know John and have been around during John Pepper's time knows that he is really the human embodiment of our principles, values, and purpose.

Somehow that's been instilled.

His DNA has been instilled in the best parts of P&G.

And so...

Back to my early days, John had showed an interest in me like he had for so many hundreds of people.

And so because I was the leader of personal health care, I could ask to meet with him.

Can you tell me about Grace?