Mm.

He asked me to, uh, log them, photograph them.

They've all been kept safely, securely for the future of his, both William and Harry, and their grandchildren.

So why would you do that about somebody you want forgotten or not even talked about? It didn't make sense.

That's why I don't believe him.

... do they really want it to be aired in public? It's-

Can I, can I also just mention from the money side of things, I don't know if you knew, but a few years ago, many years ago, I was at Althorp and I bought one of the guidebooks and asked him to sign it, and he broke his wrist.

And I remember he said to me, "I'm, I'm so sorry, I, I can't sign this.

And I just looked at her and I thought, gosh, you know, perhaps it's the stress of all those court cases, hey? Grant, what do you reckon?

Possibly.

Well, do ...

It's a, a bit of an awkward one because I remember years ago, many years ago, uh, in, uh, one of the kitchens in one of their old homes, and I was with William and, and Catherine, and we were talking about getting older.

You know, we were having this discussion about, you know, as you got old.

And I remember, uh, they asked, you know, they, they said to me, "Well, what, what would you say is the, the worst thing about getting old?" And automatically, without even thinking, I said, "Well, probably getting bald."

Mm.

And if any of us...

Very Trumpian response to somebody trying to potentially take his life, so they do seem to have that in common.

They do, and, and what's interesting is I know both of those close protection officers, and I remember talking about that incident, and they, they kind of made the, the point that he is a very kind of calm, uh, individual when things go wrong.

He's, he's such a pro, as you know, Piers, and that just goes to kind of show.

And as you mentioned, even, like, with President Trump, it's the same.

They both can almost take it in the, the stride.

Um, if anything, the King doesn't like the fuss of security.

He would rather just do his own thing without being followed around.

I mean, that's the opportunity.

Do you remember the first time you heard that she was on the scene? Do you remember what you were told?

So the first time I heard about Meghan, I didn't know who Meghan was, and I was asked to do an interview for, uh, a well-known paper, and it was an interview on how to date royals.

So I was giving you advice on what you should and shouldn't do.

And then I remember during the interview, they said, "Oh, do you know who Harry is actually dating?" And I said, "No." I said, uh, "I didn't know that." And they said the name of the girl, and I didn't know who she was.

And I was like, "Oh, I'm happy for him." And the next day, in the national press, all over the press, it said that the King's former butler has confirmed that Harry's in a relationship with Meghan Markle.

And I'm thinking, "What?" And when I say front page, I mean front page of The Sun, front page of News of the World, front page of everything.

Everything.

The Queen?

Can you walk us through that?

I think it had to be his father because, and Dickie will probably find this quite funny because obviously knowing the family, but I remember doing the dinner after.

I don't know why, I don't know what made me get a spray tan.

Anyway, I got a spray tan.

And I remember going back in that evening to do dinner.

And I'll never forget, it was now King and Queen.

And I remember he didn't look at me and he looked over at Queen Camilla and he said, what's that smell? And He said, it's him pointing at me.

Do these two like not learn a thing from the British royal family that a lot of these a lot of these chaotic headlines slowly disappear because the royals just don't acknowledge them.