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Yeah, so aviation wise, I actually...

You know, I'm an old dude, so in college, I...

You know, I started flying when I was sixteen.

But in college, I got my sort of real taste of sort of the aerospace industry working on Reagan's Star Wars initiative.

And we were, uh, so I was a designer in college while I was going to school, and we were designing optics to, to look at satellites from the ground and then figure out ways to fire lasers at them to make, to neutralize them.

Then joined the Air Force, was there for twenty years as a Wild Weasel, uh, so shooting at SAM sites.

Love it