Um, what would you think, uh, are the biggest differences between working with internal teams, where you get to know people really well, and then partnerships or stakeholders with whom you might be interacting with for a very specific purpose and a specific period of time?

Yeah.

I've, as you said, a very interesting career.

I've started off early in my career with one of the biggest companies [laughs] in the world, in the world of tech, A- Apple itself, and then moved into literally a startup beta, and I've grown from startup to scale-up and, and so on with it in other companies along the journey.

So it's quite interesting.

One of the approaches I do for internal, um, trust building is actually look at personality profiling, where I think it's a very practical kind of a workshop to start off with who are you, what are you about, what, what's important to you, how do you operate.

And I use the Myers-Briggs, not because it's the gold standard or anything, but more that it's got, it's less judgy and it's less of a critical aspect of I'm this personality versus others.

And with Gr- with Grace McNamara Associates, where, what, what, uh, what are you looking to bring to the market? And what kind of opportunities are you going to look to build further relationships in now?