Gordon Gray
Attorney and former National Security Advisor of the United States
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Jul 29, 2026
The Debt Moves Closer to $40 Trillion
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Bob BixbyHOST
So tell us, what is the House and the White House trying to accomplish with this reconciliation bill?
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19:14Gordon GrayGUEST
There was a lot of speculation as to whether or not Congress would try to move another reconciliation bill.
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19:30Gordon GrayGUEST
And now this one is somewhat oriented around funding the Department of Defense and resourcing a lot of the costs that have been associated with the conflict in Iran.
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And that the House passed a simple budget resolution that offers the opportunity to fund about $95 billion worth of those activities.
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20:06Gordon GrayGUEST
And if the Senate were to adopt it, they could override a filibuster and sort of be done with it.
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Bob BixbyHOST
And I mean, what elements of the economy that people feel in their everyday lives are connected to U.S. fiscal policy?
Has Marco Rubio's tour of the Gulf reassured U.S. allies?
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1:06James BaysHOST
What is your understanding of the reason for the Secretary of State's visit? What was he trying to achieve on this tour?
Gordon GrayGUEST
The United States and Israel started this war on February 28th without prior consultation with, uh, the US partners in the Gulf.
Gordon GrayGUEST
They suffered the brunt of the Iranian response, both in terms of the missile attacks and in terms of the, uh, closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which prevented them from exporting energy, uh, to the rest of the world.
Gordon GrayGUEST
And so, um, uh, Secretary Rubio is in, as he said in his, in the words we just heard, he's, he's trying to reassure the Gulf allies of the United States that the United States will not, uh, make any agreements with Iran that undermine their, uh, uh, their security or economic interests.
Gordon GrayGUEST
Whether they, whether he's successful, whether they believe him is another story, but that's what he's attempting to do.
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Gordon GrayGUEST
Basic transaction is that the United States has, uh, supported Saudi Arabia actually since before that meeting in, in 1945.
As support for war fades, what Is Israel seeking in Iran?
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Gordon GrayGUEST
I would certainly agree, uh, with, uh, Daniel about the hollowing out of the US interagency process and the unfortunate, uh, purge of, uh, expertise on, on the Middle East, on Iran, on other, uh, regions of the world as well.
Gordon GrayGUEST
The, uh, uh, I, I'm not sure that, uh, uh, the Israeli government would have had, um, much input into, into the speech.
Gordon GrayGUEST
Uh, I didn't hear anything that, uh, made me think Trump didn't believe it or was, uh, uh, reading from some script provided by, uh, others.
Gordon GrayGUEST
What we didn't hear, or at least what I didn't hear, was any, um, uh, reiteration of what Trump's strategic objectives are for this war.
Gordon GrayGUEST
And I certainly didn't hear any, uh, plans going forward, any indication what he intends to do.
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13:30James BaysHOST
Do you think, um, Israel will be happy with where things are with regard to their missiles, given that Israelis are still under attack on a regular basis?
Is the Iran war benefitting Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu?
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14:58James BaysHOST
Just a few days ago, its defense minister said, "Well, no, it'll be 8,000 now." This is all falling apart, is it not?
Gordon GrayGUEST
The 20,000 fig- uh, troop figure came from, uh, uh, came from Major General, uh, uh, Jasper Jenners.
Gordon GrayGUEST
The Indonesians had pledged, uh, 8,000 of those, uh, uh, 8,000 of those troops is, is, um, the figure that I had seen.
Gordon GrayGUEST
But I think it's, it's worth pointing out that, uh, even 20,000, uh, troops may not be sufficient to do the job.
Gordon GrayGUEST
The reason I say that is, um, Kosovo in 1999 had approximately the same population as Gaza does today, and the, uh, the NATO force, K4 as it was called, that, uh, kept the peace in, in Kosovo consisted of over 50,000.
Gordon GrayGUEST
Those were 50,000 troops who had trained together, who had in- interoperability.
Gordon GrayGUEST
Uh, that's a far cry from, uh, even the 20,000, uh, uh, troops hoped for, much less the 8,000 troops pledged.
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Ask An Ambassador
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17:34Naila BudhuHOST
Uh, Ambassador Gray, can I put this to you? It sounded like you were starting to answer this and Robin is wondering, what exactly is the difference between an ambassador and a diplomat?
Gordon GrayGUEST
Well, uh, any embassy is, um, is staffed with not just Foreign Service officers, but also with representatives from other agencies as well.
Gordon GrayGUEST
The ambassador is the, uh, only person who is nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate to serve as the leadership, as the leader of, of the diplomatic mission....
Gordon GrayGUEST
But there are many, um, m- many people working at, at the embassy are, are diplomats.
Gordon GrayGUEST
There are career foreign service officers who are engaged in diplomatic work, be it political reporting, be it commercial advocacy, uh, be it protecting US citizens.
Gordon GrayGUEST
Um, there, each, uh, embassy has a senior defense official who is, uh, in effect a, a military diplomat because he or she is responsible for maintaining a good, good relationship, uh, with the host country, um, host country military.
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21:26Naila BudhuHOST
Can you just share what your experience was like representing the US during that time?