Mm-hmm.

So that was, that was fortuitous and great.

So they, you know, they arranged for the work permit, everything for me to go down there, and, and it was a great experience.

Um, and so I was kind of like, at that point, once I got that gig, I was at the, and, and I, I had run, you know, I had been at the Shaw for a while, and I was feeling this kind of like, "Uh, it's getting too comfortable.

Uh, I'm, I'm too young to be comfortable." [laughs] I mean, and there were other things I wanted to do.

I mean, I wanted to, you know, I can remember, uh, I can remember having this revelation at one time.

I was, like, sitting in the back of my truck.

Mm-hmm.