And it must have been quite a thing for the family to see the sort of outpouring of grief, but also the amazing tributes that Hughes had throughout the cricket world and beyond since his death at Christmas.

Yeah, 100%.

You couldn't get away from it for a few days, which was really nice, but also very surreal.

I work for Wales Online, I work in the news, so I was constantly getting asked about it.

People at the BBC were contacting me about it.

Steve James, who was his great friend, his obituary was brilliant in The Times.

The BBC did a fantastic job with their tribute to him.

So it really is a lasting tribute now, isn't it?

When did you first start utilizing that in your community? Tell us a little bit about some of the programs that you've been working with, hundreds and probably even a thousand people in the last few years that you've been able to work with in these areas.

Yes.

In 2012, we went to Little Rock for a training session, 40-hour session, took the whole week.

got certified to do the NCTI program out of Phoenix, Arizona, Crossroads Curricula.

And they have, I believe, about 18 different courses for adults and about that many for youth, teenagers in particular.

They are, they specialize in cognitive training, they specialize in behavior change, and we were able to get connected with the local third district circuit drug court program in North Mississippi, centered in the Oxford area, and were able to get in with them and provide some alternative classes The material is not faith-based, but of course our motive was we wanted to help and reach our community.

And that was in 2012.

52, come on.