How did that happen?

Oh, I'm gonna say two things, I think.

One, you have a PhD, I have nothing.

But from the time I was eight or nine, I studied history.

And I didn't study church history until after I came to the Lord.

And for me, when you find verifiable evidence and over and over again confirmed pieces, you're probably getting close to the truth, if not capital T, at least lowercase.

And when you hear it from people on the left and on the right, and not just in the US, but other places, for me, I've often asked myself, I asked myself this a couple days ago, so is it bias confirmation, Glenn? Really, from day one, listening to shortwave radio and English language broadcasts, and I heard stuff from VOA, Voice of America, that I thought was wonderful, and stuff that was absolute garbage, and I knew it at the time, and I was 14, 15 years old and younger.

I mean, you've talked so much about being specifically embedded in a really specific place with specific people, but what kind of bigger lessons do you think you've learned recently?

Right

... straight up blues player if he wanted to do it.

But to me, it was kind of one way or the other.

Either a band finds a sound, trademarks the sound, and stays there, or they become very eclectic and all over the map.

And, um, to me, because as a fan, as a listener, you know, growing up in the '60s as a hippie, I mean, and I still am, I'm just an old one, but, you know, growing, growing up in the '60s, it was like when underground radio kicked in...

Well, first of all, I'd, I'd, like I said, about three, maybe three, three and a half years, I didn't listen to anything but Black music.

But hearing underground radio kick in, which was totally freeform on FM, early days, and each of the show hosts played what they wanted.

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