Let's go back to that period in time.

I mean, first and foremost, like, the, the...

When you said, "You're a banking guy," my body tensed up.

I like...

You know what I mean? [laughs] It's just like, I'm a banking guy now? Come on, man.

Uh, I'm, I'm a guy who happens to work in banking, I would say.

That is definitely where I am today, um, particularly on the strategy and the innovation and a little bit of corporate VC side.

I lived through that, yes.