Ginny Brown
Virginia "Ginny" Brown, LCSW, is a New York psychotherapist and founder of SEEK Safely, the nonprofit she started after her daughter Kirby Brown died at James Arthur Ray's 2009 sweat lodge retreat.
7
APPEARANCES
7
PODCASTS
Aug 31, 2026
Matt StroudNARRATOR
Soon, James Arthur Ray was on the other end.
Matt StroudNARRATOR
She'd been inside the sweat lodge, too, and she described to Ginny in detail what had happened to Kirby.
speaker_1NARRATOR
As they walked in, she had to admit the atmosphere was exciting.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And we had to walk through a gauntlet, I will say, of cheerleaders who were jumping up and down and revving up the energy in the room.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And I remember saying to one woman, I said, man, you girls really had your coffee this morning.
speaker_1NARRATOR
They nodded their heads like, yeah.
speaker_1NARRATOR
As they walked in, she had to admit, the atmosphere was exciting.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And we had to walk through a gauntlet, I will say, of cheerleaders, who were jumping up and down, and revving up the energy in the room.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And I remember saying to one woman, I said, "Man, you, you girls really had your coffee this morning." And she said to me, "Oh, we don't drink coffee.
speaker_1NARRATOR
They nodded their heads like, "Yeah."
speaker_1NARRATOR
As they walked in, she had to admit the atmosphere was exciting.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And we had to walk through a gauntlet, I will say, of cheerleaders who were jumping up and down and revving up the energy in the room.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And I remember saying to one woman, I said, "Man, you, you girls really had your coffee this morning." And she said to me, "Oh, we don't drink coffee.
speaker_1NARRATOR
They nodded their heads like, "Yeah."
speaker_1NARRATOR
As they walked in, she had to admit the atmosphere was exciting.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And we had to walk through a gauntlet, I will say, of cheerleaders who were jumping up and down and revving up the energy in the room.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And I remember saying to one woman, I said, man, you, you girls really had your coffee this morning.
speaker_1NARRATOR
They nodded their heads like, yeah.
speaker_1NARRATOR
As they walked in, she had to admit the atmosphere was exciting.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And we had to walk through a gauntlet, I will say, of cheerleaders who were jumping up and down and revving up the energy in the room.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And I remember saying to one woman, I said, man, you girls really had your coffee this morning.
speaker_1NARRATOR
They nodded their heads like, yeah.
speaker_1NARRATOR
As they walked in, she had to admit, the atmosphere was exciting.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And we had to walk through a gauntlet, I will say, of cheerleaders who were jumping up and down and revving up the energy in the room.
Ginny BrownGUEST
And I remember saying to one woman, I said, "Man, you, you girls really had your coffee this morning." And she said to me, "Oh, we don't drink coffee.
speaker_1NARRATOR
They nodded their heads like, "Yeah."