So if you could go back to the beginnings Share some details of what it was like to get some traction within your real estate business.

We're living in a completely different world now, 30 years later.

In many ways, it's more difficult.

In many ways, it's easier.

So it's but it's different.

The thing I would like to say about that is basically in order to be successful in real estate, You need to you need to have drive, be hungry.

Yes, obviously.

If you could just kind of talk about being aware of individuals and somewhat having your guard up as you go through your real estate journey, especially as a newer investor, how important is it for you to be cautious and be aware of what the potential threats are within the industry?

If you could just kind of talk about being aware of individuals and somewhat having your guard up as you go through your real estate journey, especially as a newer investor, how important is it for you to be cautious and be aware of what the potential threats are within the industry?

Yeah, I think this is such a critical topic.

It is not addressed enough.

Everybody, this is a rah, rah, go, go, go industry.

And with the internet, it's made it more so than it ever was.

The old school people, they're always very cautious in who they connected with, who they did business with.

I'll tell you a story that I didn't tell you offline, but this was fun.

Do you credit that due to your mortgage broking skills? And do you recommend for other investors to be able to formulate relationships with mortgage brokers?

If you could just kind of talk about being aware of individuals and somewhat having your guard up as you go through your real estate journey, especially as a newer investor, how important is it for you to be cautious and be aware of what the potential threats are within the industry?

Yeah, I think this is such a critical topic.

It is not addressed enough.

Everybody, this is a rah, rah, go, go, go industry.

And with the internet, it's made it more so than it ever was.

The old school people, they're always very cautious in who they connected with, who they did business with.

I'll tell you a story that I didn't tell you offline when this was fun.

Do you credit that due to your mortgage broking skills? And do you recommend for other investors to be able to formulate relationships with mortgage brokers?