Tell me about how you got into this space.

So I started...

in the financial services sector in 1996 by accident because I studied law, but I actually never sat my finals because I experienced a very violent sexual attack.

So I actually didn't finish my law degree.

A lot of people think I'm a lawyer and it's written all over the place that I'm a lawyer.

I'm not.

I mean, the skills I learned my three years studying law are invaluable and have guided me through my campaigning and a lot of my life.

the above, but also the

How were you... cognizant of quite how bad it might get?

No, because I was so focused on the purpose of what and the principles of what I was defending, what I was doing, that I was naive.

I thought once people understood, because remember at that time, everyone was talking about parliamentary sovereignty.

It's not something that anybody in the street would be talking about.

And all of a sudden, people were talking about it.

And I thought, this is our opportunity to really defend it.

Because I mean, again, it didn't come from nowhere.

How did you find the resilience to carry on believing that this was the right thing to be doing when people were being so vile and telling stories about you too that were so deeply wrong?

[laughs]

And in fairness, I did just get back from two weeks off, but it was a working vacation.

Um, we're already, we're planning media day, we're planning, you know, storylines for the season, how we're gonna position some of our players.

Obviously, we do have a new head coach in Dusty May, so we have to really focus on how we introduce him to the market, and that's just the basketball side.

There's so much going on on the corporate side as well.

You know, working in sports, the off-seasons tend to be a lot busier than most people think.

From working with the Cowboys, you get a little more off time in the NFL, I will say that, to working with FC Dallas also.

Yeah.

... and what you think needs doing to start tackling this massive issue.

It, it, and, uh, you're right, it is a massive issue.

And, um, you know, I, I've been in the city since 1996, and we have seen some shifts, but just not enough.

So now I think it's, um, I've made it my mission to sort of launch, um, a platform called MoneyShe, but also speak much more widely about this.

Because there isn't just one issue.

It's a compounding effect of lots of other issues.

I mean, women are paid less, um, there's a pension gap, we take time off for caring, um, responsibilities, and all of this compounds over time, um, over 40 years.

Uh, and so I want to ask you about that, uh, and, you know, potentially what needs changing to help people in this situation.

Gina Miller, where do you think Andy Burnham is taking this conversation? Where do you want him to take this conversation? And those might be two different things.

They are very different things because I'm not sure what Andy Burnham's policies are on anything at the moment.

But I would hope that he would have a very clear message and policy and path of what he wants to do for us to align closer to the EU.

I think what Lance has just said about the world is a different place is absolutely true.

But that also brings into that picture AI, which we've not talked about.

But also, we don't have America as a reliable ally anymore.

And we have Russia on our borders threatening the security of Europe.

Gina Miller, the centrality of Nigel Farage to all of this.

Now, on the face of it, this surely has to be good news, doesn't it?

Look, we...

The reality, Ian, good evening, is that we live in a post-Brexit world, and we do need to do trade deals.

Um, uh, so I think there's no dispute when it comes to that.

But you have to look, as always, at the detail.

The devil is always in the detail.

And there are a couple of things that are worrying about this.

... doesn't seem an awful lot by 2040.