Can you walk us through both sides and why you believe the answer is a happy medium between the two?

and so just like with the dogs because they're like you know a two or three year old in in human child development except forever i like to give them that first introduction where where they we you know we give them plenty of opportunity to get familiar with what it is we were trying to teach them to avoid because that's important just as a baseline to start and If I just let the dog walk right up to the snake and corrected it for proximity before giving the dog a chance to get familiar with it, they might not want to reinvestigate it.

And then, you know, now I'm kind of like, oh, now what do I do? How do I get the dog to smell it? How do I get him to stick around, you know, and to be in the right frame and even to be in the right frame of mind for learning and not startled as it is just sometimes that interaction with a live muzzled rattlesnake, depending on that dog's temperament is a little traumatizing all by itself without even introducing my training collars.

Yeah.

And also I have to be careful when I do start to initiate my collar and when and if I have to use the collar on the dogs.

I don't want to create an even more adversarial relationship between these two things.

So I want to make sure that this dog doesn't think that the only way to avoid something unpleasant happening with this creature is to take it out.

That could be a distraction for the dogs or the dogs are feeding off of the owner's fear and just not being familiar with that kind of