So I am very curious about where that passion comes from for both of you, because whenever I hear you talk about Rise Up or anyone else talking about it, the care is very evident in the conversation.

That's great.

For me, it really comes from my own story.

I'm an immigrant.

I came here at a very young age.

English is my second language, and I was the first in my family to graduate college.

So I know firsthand what it feels like to navigate systems where you don't have the support or the social capital to help you along the way.

for him to be able to give back because we were able to give something to him in the process is that mutual benefit that we can actually have every single time when we connect with all these individuals that come through the program.