Does it give you a different perspective?

Definitely.

I mean, I think you become...

The older that you get, which is a cool part of getting old, is that you just...

You step into yourself so much more.

You don't worry about some of the things that I was concerned with when I was in my 20s, like vanity and what I look like on camera.

It's all about getting to the root of things and being more honest with yourself.

Anyway,

And like

what she was talking about at that point in time, which was just such a no-no for women.

But you can dress it up in a story and experience.

It might just be a snapshot of the night.

Like she doesn't want her man to come home drinking or drunk or whatever it might be.

But it's sort of like these front of mind thoughts that was very much this album.

It was these little snapshot thoughts of like, oh, I'm feeling like this.

coffin but do you aside from the aside from the big life change that is the divorce do you find that being a mum and being at this stage of life like is it giving you a different kind of perspective on your art that wasn't there in your say early 20s and do you go back and reflect on the stuff that you made in your early 20s in this stage of life and does it have a different kind of does it have a does it give you a

So having not made music for so long, was it tough to get going again, or was it like muscle memory, or just right back at it?

A little bit.

You know what? I was really quite...

feeling that came up for me was like I wasn't ready to confront a lot of these feelings and so because I knew that it required me to be very brave and courageous especially leaving my marriage and staying with that decision to stay left which is really it was a really hard part of the process actually and And music, I knew as soon as I opened up music, it would just, it would all come like vomiting out.

And so I was quite reluctant to go, to mess around with music because of that reason.

Because I had so much to get off my chest.

that I didn't really want to, I wasn't ready for it.

So out of the 12 songs that make up Beautiful Mess, is there one in particular that kind of got things rolling for you or that means the most or made you realize that this was really going to happen?

... and all that sort of stuff.

[laughs] Love it.

Um, yes, the accountants are not quite onto me, but yes, the fans and everyone seems to be loving it, and really enjoying how vulnerable it is and how raw it is, and how sort of eclectic it is as well.

Having such a difference between the Beautiful side and the Mess side, it feels like you get a really good, you know, a really good palette of widespread kind of version of lots of different genres and styles and, and things like that.

So it's, it's a nice diverse plate of music.

Have you made this for yourself or for everyone?

Oh, it's, it's, honestly, it's therapy.

It starts with that, really.

... and all that sort of stuff.

[laughs] Love it.

Um, yes, the accountants are not quite onto me.

But yes, the fans and everyone seems to be loving it, and really enjoying how vulnerable it is and how raw it is, and how sort of eclectic it is as well.

Having such a difference between the Beautiful side and the Mess side, it feels like you get a really good, you know, really good palette of widespread kind of version of lots of different genres and styles and, and things like that.

So it's, it's a nice diverse plate of music.

Do you make it f- Have you made this for yourself or for everyone?

Oh, it's, it's ...

Yeah.

Um, I like, uh, as I said before, like, I like to push the extreme, so I like to see where my voice can go, and I think it was out of cu- curiosity that I f- stumbled across this sort of raspy tone, and I liked it.

And it lives, it kind of straddles the line between breaking and fine still, and okay and, you know? So I like living in that space with my voice.

If it feels too soft and clean and careful, I'm like, I, I lose interest in it.

So I like to push the limit with it.

That's why I do like doing rock and roll songs 'cause I get to do, I get to be in that space more.

Um, or I'll sing it really soft, like falsetto.

Yeah