Just tell us a little bit about yourself and how, how you started working maybe in Refinery29.

I'm 43 now, but I started in journalism when I was about 26, 27.

I worked for the Independent Newspaper in London back when it was still a print, print newspaper.

So I used to work for the paper 'cause it was quite divided back then.

That's how long ago it was.

And then I worked there as a, an assistant to start off with, and then I became a feature writer and an arts writer, interviewed a lot of people, that sort of thing.

Sort of anything, real jack of all trades, no specific beat or anything.

Yeah.