In what ways have those conversations shaped your perspective on philanthropy?

The way it really shaped me is that sitting across the, you know, the computer screen with the grantee leaders and understanding like how they're running their organizations, you know, like the urban peace movement and opening for kids and different organizations explaining like how much of their structure is actually around managing the funder's relationship rather than doing the work.

So most of the time they're always putting the relationship of the funders before rather than like the community, because they always have to worry about what is the next funding coming in.

And I'm not too sure this is appropriate to bring it up, but nevertheless, when we look at like Trump's administration and the elimination of the DEI and other eliminations of like public sectors of services of funding have been very much And for like the funders.

So they're always talking about how do we connect with another funders? And there's a possibility of this foundation could connect with another foundation.

So really, most of the labor is actually more being allocated for searching for

Why do you see this as the ultimate fake rule in philanthropy?

The ultimate fake rule, the reason why I kind of see this is like, homie, like for real homie, like your family, you have like foundations, corporations, they come from a lineage of like extrapolation, extracting the wealth, extracting the land, the displacement, and how like certain of these foundations or even like families with large money to even have like investment in mass incarcerations, different sectors, and able to use that generation of wealth into, I guess you could say, like a tax code, which like Congress passed in 1969, where they give the requiring private foundation a distribution of like the minimum of their assets of each year.

As a young human being, what went through your mind?

The way how I ended up in that way was really, one is my house ended up getting raided because of my nephew.

He landed on probation early, and there was a point where I guess there was a violation.

When they raided the house, they ended up finding narcotics, but I ended up taking the rap for the narcotics.

But the thing was that there were letters there from my brother and letters from other individuals as well that I kept contact, and they're like, "Oh," like, "you're related with so-and-so.

We had to put you in the gang database." So that's where it kinda like, how does public policy mold your identity? I was already prescribed with these identities already, so eventually, that's how that the gang database kinda, like, put that gasoline to get jumped into the neighborhood, got validated.

And now looking back, it's like anybody could be on a gang database.

I'm sorry.

As a young human being, what went through your mind?

The way how I ended up in that way was really, one is my house ended up getting raided because of my nephew.

He landed on probation early, and there was a point where I guess there was a violation.

When they raided the house, they ended up finding narcotics, but I ended up taking the rap for the narcotics.

But the thing was that there were letters there from my brother and letters from other individuals as well that I kept contact, and they're like, "Oh," like, "you're related with so-and-so.

We had to put you on the gang database." So that's where it kinda like, how does public policy mold your identity? I was already prescribed with these identities already.

So eventually, that's how that gang database kinda, like, put that gasoline to get jumped into the neighborhood, got validated.

I'm sorry.