Hmm

... and ironic to all of us who've been studying it our [laughs] or working with it our whole lives.

Um, but fascia is, is a very interesting tissue that, in general, because of the way that conventional medical anatomy is practiced, regional anatomy in med schools and stuff, I mean, they all know about fascia, but they just chuck it in the bucket, and they don't consi- they didn't really consider it.

Um, it, they kind of like saw it as packing material or wrappers that kind of blocked you from seeing the really cool stuff, uh, that they were interested in.

And then some of us have been like, "Wait a second, don't, don't chuck that in the bucket.

That's really cool, too." Like, in other words, if it's in your body, it must belong there, and it must be i- important.

And, and so the, the fascia of the body are kind of a subset of the connective tissues of the body.

It, it seems like if you observe nature, which is what a lot of the people in ancient history seemed to do, like the Zen Buddhist monks would do that, and they would sit and contemplate or just observe a leaf or the way a hummingbird's wings would flap or whatever, and then you can use that as the relationship to, "Okay, how am I in relationship to that, to nature?"

how has your concept or... you know, view of the human body evolved over time and anatomy.

You know, when I did that very first dissection class that I offered back in 1995, I think, didn't have a concept to work with except what i had learned at the rolf institute you know uh tom myers had encouraged us to read dean juan's job's body and he kind of went chapter by chapter you know skin you know uh and adipose and deep fascia and muscle and i was like oh that's an interesting concept and and and tom myers led us through kind of psychometric exercises in in our in our pre-training at the Rolf Institute.

It was called FOB, Foundations of Bodywork.

That was for people who weren't massage therapists who wanted to be Rolfers, and I was a grad student in ethics.

I had this exposure to this idea of layers, and we were feeling for them in our pre-training for Rolfing.

When I showed up in the lab, well, there were no know dissection atlas is based that way or anything so i got grants atlas which you know is a typical med school dissector and i used it to you know figure out what to do in there and it was a disaster It was I mean, so if you're doing regional anatomy, especially with a group and you're all doing different things, you end up the say, say, say, oh, I want to see the trapezius here and someone else wants to see the the nerve underneath the gastroc.

And, you know, the body ends up being this weird patchwork quilt of projects.

Because you have your own

I'm just

saying.

I take images from the laboratory and videos, but no actual...

I'm the body.

And so it is rare.

I may be the only... an anatomy rock and roll roadshow out there so far.

Maybe I'll spawn an empire of anatomy roadshows.

I would love for you to promote some of the work you've done and also give us some of your closing thoughts, what you would like, a thought, a message that you'd like to leave everybody with.