If we don't give our bodies enough time to regenerate and recover and adapt and super compensate, you're gonna run out of road real fast with that strategy.

Or particularly in, in the current time, you know, when people are already feeling- Anxious, nervous, in hyperarousal.

That, that has the capacity to disrupt sleep, disrupt digestion, you know, elevate blood pressure, et cetera.

We're not in a good shape anyway right now, and, and recovery's interesting.

We, we also do some work with some leaders around what I call deepening leadership with an eldership lens.

So, you know, looking at the principles of indigenous leadership, which our society has pretty much erased, you know? In indigenous cultures, they're very good normally at, at marking the different life stages with some form of semi-formal ceremony or rite of passage right through from, you know, from, from, from infant to child to teen to young adult, right the way through to where a person is being prepared to take on the mantle of leadership through eldership.

Those ceremonies are never for the individual.

I think we've potentially got trust issues," or, you know, "We don't understand the generations that are working within our organization very well." Or whatever it might be, where should they start?