Mm-hmm.

In different times, of course.

So they knew each other quite well.

And when Gerhardus Vos went to Europe to study, he contacted Baving.

And Baving introduced him to Snoeker Gronje, for example, because in the end he wrote a dissertation on Arab text at Strasbourg University with Theodor Muldeke.

who was a famous Arab scholar and an Orientalist.

So when he was in Europe, he had close relations with Kuiper and Bavik.

Yeah.