Any advice for folks who are maybe dealing with problems right now as well?

First, be patient.

Two, read your audience and figure out your touch points.

And three, know how to navigate that intricacy.

And again, I'll give you an example.

In North Humboldt County, I learned a lesson, a positive lesson.

We're at a budget meeting.

So I think some training and some polishing up of those skills is really crucial.