Mm-hmm.

So that's a common idea.

So then finding out which systems or species are actually capable of having feelings seems like this very morally important question, so famously.

Um, but just, just linking back to what I was saying about the science of consciousness, I think the standard picture in the field is that the way to, uh, the, you know, the way to figure out which creatures have this special property that matters is just to do the science of consciousness, which involves investigating humans and other, maybe other related species as well, where we're confident that we find consciousness.

Coming up with a scientific theory of consciousness such as IIT or one of these other theories, and then just looking at these other systems and asking, do they have that thing that the science of consciousness found in human beings?

Mm-hmm.

Um, or at least it's potentially the wrong picture.

It's not inevitable that we have to think about it like that.