... things I can, you know, learn from.

No, I avoid it like the plague.

Uh, I think it's a, an appalling waste of time and a, an assault on the intellect.

Geoff Steven can reasonably claim to be one of the godfathers of reality TV in New Zealand as an early commissioner at TV3 during the genre's emergence.

A documentary supposedly used to be sort of so-called objective.

It had to look at both sides of the story, but reality was, you know, short-run series, six ep, seven eps, half hours.

And you could go into areas like cooking or home building and things like that.

You didn't really need to have a big subject where a documentary you had to have a subject.