Yep.

Um, yeah.

And then at that point I was like, "Okay, this is fun, but let's try a little harder." And then, um, there's been a lot of try.

Doesn't always go my way, but, but if you work hard and you get the gear...

And I'm always listening to, like, on these trips you hear Matt Cogar talk Okay, well now we know Robb Spry is one of the best ax finishers in the world.

[laughs]

But, uh, but yeah, there's, there's definitely something to it.

Like, the gear, it's like the axes saws.