how did you develop that as a kid how did you I don't know you grew up first of all you grew up in the Essendon area didn't you so just explain where you grew up and and the suburbs changed a lot since back in the mid 60s

well if anybody's driven on the Tullamarine freeway They've driven under where I used to kick the footy.

So in Strathmore, my parents' house used to front onto where the freeway is now.

And my brother, an architect now or retired architect, he decided when we were kids to put on some goalposts.

on the back fence and we were able to walk out through the back gate and go and play in the paddock.

And I remember the paddock used to have old car bodies and tufts of grass and there were a couple of houses out there and we tried to mow it, as you would with a hand mower.

We didn't get very far.

Yeah.