Yeah,

I think it depends on where you're coming from.

So if you're an academic or, you know, if you're a doctor in a hospital working directly with older people, whatever, and you're kind of vaguely aware of medical humanities or cultural gerontology, then, you know, Des's chapter in this book, The Routledge Handbook of Cultural Gerontology, is a great start.

But there's actually like 50 chapters on everything.

And one of my favorite chapters in it is called The Smile in Old Age.

And it's about... you know, how that smile that we have depicts, you know, youth and valor, but how people can choose to actually allow their teeth to go yellow or allow themselves because it turns more to functionality and it even brings in like art and things.

So it's just fantastic to see the whole, I think the whole human experience.

lots to learn from older people if only we took took the time so so and the japanese have this wonderful thing called kintsuke which is about repairing an object that has been broken and making it even more beautiful and i often think what i do that nasa and i do in geriatric medicine is like kintsuke uh bringing forth a new opportunity so but but I don't think we can rely on it alone to turn the tide on ageism, but it can be a very useful metaphor.