But do you want to start by talking about the legal situation of gay men before reform?

Yeah, I mean, if we go back to the 1950s, and Britain was very important to New Zealand still at that stage, but the British government set up an inquiry into homosexuality and prostitution.

It was known as the Wolfenden Committee, headed by John Wolfenden, and it reported in 1957 with a recommendation to decriminalise sex between men in England and Wales to an age consent of 21.

But actually, the more enduring legacy has been that they actually went through a number of the myths and arguments against homosexuals and against homosexual law reform, and they basically debunked them.

And so some of those, and I won't go through them all, but that homosexual men were mentally ill, that homosexual men were child molesters, that people became homosexual through seduction.

So what the committee did was they gathered a lot of evidence and then they rejected the myths.

So the result of that is in New Zealand, we then got a report which was a contemporary official document that we could use in submissions to Parliament and other bodies.

And what you were kind of involved in in the revival that happened after that, Kevin.