Yeah.

Because, you know, uh, it just, you, you, when you, when you're young and impulsive, you, you make decisions quicker tha- than when you, you know, get, get on to be a bit more mature, where you, where you can get more perspective.

And so, but just, I would say to myself, in everything in life, you, you have to be patient.

You have to play the long game.

You have to trust the process.

And, and I'd say the other thing is, and one thing I've really come to appreciate much more over the last probably five, 10, 15 years, is you can't control time and timing.

So, so don't...

Yeah

Take me back to the morning of that game.

Yeah, it was certainly an interesting time.

And obviously, you never plan to set a record on any particular day you go out and play sport.

But the bottom line was I had prepared incredibly well that off-season and sort of the build-up to that start of that year.

Our team had had a great off-season.

We were very fit.

We'd had a very hot summer that year in Durban playing for the Sharks.

How did that feel from an identity perspective? Now we're talking about identity.

Do you agree with Lorcan? I- is it designed by men, for men?

Hi, Ciara.

Uh, well, no, and I think it's c- highly ironic that me, as a male, and Lorcan, as a male, are on, commenting on, on an issue which relates to women.

Um, so is there an issue in terms of, uh, how the built environment relates to various different groupings within society? No doubt there is.

Um, and do we need to make sure there's better balance in the design of the structures in the public realm? Absolutely.

But I think, uh, there's a lot of misinformation in his article.

First and foremost, planners don't design the public realm.

But, but the wider points, I suppose, Gavin, about, that do we design our housing with a, uh, with an eye on, on what is necessary for people with d- disabilities or for women, et cetera? Do we actually even consider those things? I- is he right that we don't consider them enough?