Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

OK.

How you were mentioning before about, you know, it's all about community and then bringing folks together.

I'm definitely seeing that a lot of my clients are realizing that a lot of their employees forgot how to communicate with each other.

and they're overworking and we're getting more conflict.

I wouldn't say useless conflict, but just conflict that they didn't have when we were more.

The gig

Have you ever felt that shift in your own life? Like what what what did it quietly cost you before you had any sort of language for what was actually happening?

So you're absolutely right.

Like that proving ground, especially folks that are neurodivergent.

And like it's that ongoing masking of like, oh, I better keep this facade up because people know that I'm neurodivergent or something.

You know, it may cost me my job.

And I was so I was diagnosed out of college age about 26 or so.

And it was when I realized I'm like, wow, something must be up because I feel like I can't adult at all.

Did it reframe any of those early memories for you? Like the times that you would, you know, maybe get in trouble or the times that your energy got disciplined instead of channeled? You know, once you got your diagnosis, did it clear some things up?

So tell us about the door that closed.

Yeah.

So to set up the door that is closing, you have to have a little bit of backstory.

My background is in marketing and communications.

That's where I w- went to university for, that's what I studied for, that's what I thought I was gonna be doing forever.

I had this aspiration to be this marketing executive, and if you're familiar with the, the US-based show Mad Men, um, I wanted to be like Don Draper except for digital marketing.

And I got my wish after, you know, years of hard work.

Mm-hmm.

Okay,

say more.

And from, so I'll quickly go through them.

And as I'm going through, think about what is sparking your curiosity, because that could be a path to finding something that you can play with.

So the big one, and this is what most people think of when they think of play, is the play personality of the Joker.

And if the Joker is your play personality, you get joy from being mischievous, as in pranks and telling jokes and things like that.

That's just one play personality.

Talk to me about rest.