Catholic or didn't grow up in that way themselves.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I think, yeah, I think, Carmela, one thing I did do, which, which was very revealing, was to spend, uh, a lot of time in two archives, one in Emory in the States, uh, in Atlanta, Georgia.

Uh, so the University of Emory have Seamus' correspondence, uh, I think about 134 box, boxes of it.

Um, now mo- a lot of that has now been made available through Christopher Reid's, uh, letters.

So Christopher Reid edited the letters of Seamus Heaney.

Mm.