What are the types of conversations you have to have early on in order to make sure that your ESOP is sustainable for the long term?

Well, if you don't talk to your employees about what it means to run a business.

And just because you're employee-owned doesn't mean there's a magic dust that sprinkles on you and says you're going to be successful.

The board has to look at it like a real board.

Maybe Jason has a special dust over there.

I don't know.

But it takes work to run a company.

Are there any other topics that you've heard people talk about or ask about that you don't think that we've